Ep. 69 - Why Dr. Adam Reynolds Made Grin the Backbone of His Modern Orthodontic Practice

Welcome to The Golden Age of Orthodontics, the podcast that helps orthodontists compete on expertise and trust. Hosted by Dr. Leon Klempner and Amy Epstein, this show explores technology and strategies shaping modern orthodontics. In this episode, Dr. Adam Reynolds shares how Grin’s remote monitoring transformed his practice, improving efficiency, patient care, and growth. Learn why he chose Grin over other platforms, how a dedicated remote care team enhances treatment, and why differentiation is key to attracting new patients. Plus, hear real patient feedback on how Grin improves accessibility, convenience, and outcomes. Thinking about remote monitoring? This episode has what you need to know. Remember—there has never been a better time to be an orthodontist!

IN THIS EPISODE: 

• (4:59) Dr. Adam Reynolds reveals the vision for his practice: Orthodontic Design Co.

• (10:38) Why Dr. Reynolds chose Grin remote monitoring system and implementation 

• (16:35) How does Dr. Reynolds promote patient–centered care

• (20:41) Dr. Reynolds discusses the ROI of overall business growth and how they maximize Grin

• (26:36) Setting your practice apart and takeaways from patients

KEY TAKEAWAYS: 

• Custom digital braces, aligner therapy, and remote monitoring aren’t just innovations—they’re game-changers for orthodontic efficiency, treatment planning, and patient care.

• A well-executed remote monitoring system improves patient experience by providing continuous support, reducing unnecessary visits, and making care more accessible.

• True differentiation comes from aligning innovations with patient priorities. Direct engagement and feedback ensure technologies like digital monitoring enhance their experience in ways that truly matter.

EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

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GAOO Episode 69 Dr. Adam Reynolds-Transcript

Dr. Leon Klempner: (00:00:00) If he can go back in time and rebuild your orthodontic practice from scratch, or if you're just starting up, what would your practice look like? Well, today's guest built from the ground up making custom digital technology, his foundation with a special emphasis on remote monitoring. The goal, of course, efficiency, but also to keep patient care front and center.

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Narrator: The future of orthodontics is evolving and changing every day. But although the way to achieve practice growth has changed, there's never been a better time to be an orthodontist.

Let's get into the minds of industry leaders, forward thinking orthodontists, and (00:02:00) technology insiders to learn how they see the future of the orthodontic specialty. How will digital orthodontics, artificial intelligence, clear aligner therapy, remote monitoring, in house printing, and other innovations for the future?

Change the way you practice. Join your host, Dr. Leon Klempner and Amy Epstein each month as they bring you insights, tips, and guest interviews focused on helping you capitalize on the opportunities for practice growth. And now welcome to the Golden Age of Orthodontics with the co-founders of People and practice, Dr.

Leon Klempner and Amy Epstein. Welcome 

Dr. Leon Klempner: to the Golden Age of Orthodontics. If you are a podcast. Subscriber. First of all, thank you. And you probably already know who I am, but if you're not hit the subscribe button, um, and, uh, don't miss any of our podcasts. This is episode, I believe, 69, so six year in doing this.

So for those of you that are new, (00:03:00) welcome. And I am Leon Klempner. I am a retired Proud Board certified orthodontist. I'm currently, uh, teaching. I'm the director of orthodontics at Mount Sinai Hospital here in New York City. I'm also part time faculty in the orthodontic department at Harvard. And I am the CEO of People in Practice.

In addition to that, I am a would be, want to be blues guitarist. I just bought a new guitar. I'm waiting for it for those guitarists out there. Yeah. For those guitarists out there, uh, it's a Strandberg, which is like. Half a guitar. It's really odd shape, but it easy to play while you're sitting down, but it wasn't half price.

Um, I'm also the father of three daughters and a grandfather of four grandchildren and one grand dog. And I'm joined today by one of my daughters and my partner, Amy (00:04:00) Epstein. How you doing, Amy? 

Amy Epstein: Doing well. Interesting to learn about your new, uh, instrument purchase. That's, uh, looking forward to hearing that.

Uh, I'm Amy Epstein. I have an MBA in marketing, background in, um, public relations, working for brands large and small. And I got involved in what I do now, which is, uh, manage people in practice, which is an orthodontic marketing consultancy. Because when I finished my MBA, my dad said to me, you know what we've been doing for my practice?

Well, there are lots of people asking me if we might be able to help with their practices. And I think there's something here and it turns out there was something there. So we started people in practice and now we have clients across the states and in Canada and we have growth consultants that work with Those clients, those orthodontists, um, across the country as well.

(00:05:00) So today that leads me to today and this podcast, and a lot of what we do is to help our clients to promote to their community, the benefits of working with their practice. Over everyone else in the community who offers orthodontic treatment and a lot of that is about figuring out what is my competitive differentiation if I am the orthodontist, what makes me different and what makes me relevant and what makes me someone that my community would want to come.

To see, and then we promote that because that's really the at the core of what brings in new patients is being able to articulate that and find people who value that. And then it's a perfect match today. We have someone on. The show who knows that about himself and his practice. We're thrilled to have Dr.

Adam Reynolds join us. His practice is called (00:06:00) orthodontic design company, and he's located in Madison, Alabama, and he built his practice from scratch in 2022 with a really forward thinking approach, which is embracing custom digital braces, a liner therapy and remote monitoring right from the get go. And it allows him to operate with Um, the efficiencies that everyone's looking for, but at the same time, preserving his autonomy and, um, the real focus on patient centered care, which is a big part of his differentiation in his community.

And today he's here to talk to us about why. Grin became a core part of this model and how it's shaping his practice and what orthodontists that may be looking at remote monitoring systems can learn from his journey. So we're thrilled to have you here today, Dr. Reynolds. Thank you so much for being here.

Dr. Adam Reynolds: I'm glad to be here. I don't do as many things as, uh, Leon, but I just do orthodontics in my own five kids. So, uh, I'm glad to be (00:07:00) here. 

Amy Epstein: You have five children. Okay. Well, they're unto itself. That's a big, uh, feet. 

Dr. Adam Reynolds: Yeah. It's because you have to have a really good wife. You have to have a really good wife to make that happen.

Dr. Leon Klempner: Well, you, you, you went on that. Um, so, um, first of all, thanks again for, for joining us. So, um, so Adam, uh, when I, uh, when I Sold my practice to my partners. I moved into Manhattan and I said to Amy, I said, you know, looking back, um, if I were to start up now, I would have a completely different model of practicing.

I would be in a smaller footprint. I'd be taking advantage of all this new digital technology that became available. After I had already retired, but I talk about it, but you actually did it. So tell them, tell our listeners, you know, how did you decide which technologies would (00:08:00) be central to your practice?

Dr. Adam Reynolds: That's a, it's a really good question. Uh, kind of like Amy, uh, mentioned a little bit, a lot of it starts with vision. And I think a lot of it starts with understanding what makes you tick, what gets you excited, right? Because. Technology may not be the thing for every person, but it's something I really, really enjoy.

And so because it's something that I wanted to be, then that forced my vision to then focus where what kind of practice I wanted to run. And we kind of talked about a little bit. One is I have five kids. So I know what life looks like for many people. And so as I sat down, there's two pieces that kind of came to the forefront.

One was, um, I like to be able to plan my setups from the beginning and know what I'm getting into as far as teeth and planning and how it's going to turn out and take away as many of the variables out of the equation as I can. And aligners allows me to do that. But braces is a whole different ballgame.

And I had in my history practice with sure smile as an associate for several years, and then I (00:09:00) practice. Um, without any digital and I saw the difference for me. And so that was a real easy after seeing that difference. I know I want to go that direction. So Kayla one for me was a no brainer. The cost made sense.

The software is incredible. And so that was one piece. And then the other piece is okay. If I can basically, uh, provide sup superb communication and customer care and eliminate appointments. And it's not because it's just a win for me, but for patients too, right? Like for me, as someone who has five kids.

To get someone out of school or to leave work or things like that, it's just challenging. And then we know that orthodontics is a journey. And so we know that patients want to feel like that they have access to us when even minor things to us might come up, but they could be big things to them. So remote monitoring was something I had experienced before I started my practice.

And, um, I would say even I'm even more so sold on it now, um, after a couple of years than I was going into it. So (00:10:00) when you kind of put all those together, my goal was like you said to, okay, create a smaller footprint practice with higher touch, more customization to create the experience that I want to have, I guess is what it comes down ultimately.

Dr. Leon Klempner: So Adam, you know, obviously you have options when choosing a remote monitoring system. So tell me why you chose Grin and maybe more specifically, what pain point did it address or what feature made it stand out from other remote solutions, remote monitoring solutions? 

Dr. Adam Reynolds: Yeah, I've used other companies before.

And so I've got some experience with different kinds of apps and situations. And, um, I took a chance on green, uh, initially just because of the price point. That's what got me interested is because as a new startup cashflow is critical. And as you're going in and, and I wanted to jump in all in with this technology, I didn't want to say, okay, I'm (00:11:00) only going to use these patients and not these patients because then you create inefficiencies and you can't leverage a system fully.

And so that was the initial kind of tipping point is the price point was so much less. Right. Especially as I think and plan and grow, um, the surprising things were, I found a lot of benefits that I didn't expect and the main benefit was even as a startup. And even now, as I'm much bigger, um, I use the green HR premium, which comes with a green employee and she's Renee.

And she reviews every single scan and every single communication that comes in in response to all of them. And she's a person. She's not AI. She has AI tools on her side, but the quality of care that we're giving with someone who is a human that monitors that for us from 7 p. m. 7 days a week has been a game changer for us.

And something we didn't necessarily fully appreciate until we jumped in that way. And so now when you look at (00:12:00) kind of what our patients most appreciate about our practice, custom braces is really important for what I want to do, but I don't think they understand that fully. But they do understand I've got Dr.

Reynolds and Renee. That I can communicate with seven days a week with any question and we're responsive, right? It's not all on Renee, but it is certainly that team approach and the hardest part of managing practice right now is managing people and, and that kind of a situation and whatnot. And so if I can outsource that to a company who's training them, and then if she's goes on vacation, they have someone else to step in.

That takes it off my plate too. So it's been, um, just nothing bad to say about it's been incredible. 

Dr. Leon Klempner: So, you know, I, I talked to a lot of orthos and, um, you know, Amy and I talk, talk about moving towards a more digital practice in the future and that this is direction the whole world is going in and orthodontists need to move in that direction at whatever level (00:13:00) that the orthodontist feels comfortable with.

So we, we've been promote, you know, promoting. The use of, uh, customized a appliances and remote monitoring for a long time. The pushback I get from Orthos is that, you know, I don't wanna disrupt my whole system. You know what it's like to make a change in your workflow, you know, and the staff and the scheduling and, you know, it, it, that's the pushback that I get.

So I'm curious for you, you mentioned before. That, you know, you, you're a startup. So did you decide that you were going to put everybody on remote monitoring, or do you have, um, a way of what, what's your decision making process in terms of, of how you implement, uh, Grin? 

Dr. Adam Reynolds: Yeah, that's a really good question.

And I guess even in a bigger (00:14:00) perspective, um, I feel like when doctors are saying that, that they're the ones with the problem, right? Because we're the ones who are supposed to create the vision. And so it's on me to say, this is where our vision is. And I'm all in. Right. And then your team comes all in. So a lot of times it's, It's us that are afraid to make changes and I've experienced that even switching remote monitoring companies when I was, you know, a few months in or several months in and it's like, oh, I've already done this and I'm going to lose the cost.

Well, one of our core values that we've sat down as a practice is to be fearless and to be adaptable. And so that is part of that equation. Now, as far as. How we choose to do this, what I've learned in my, my career over a couple of different practices is that unless I go all in on something, I don't fully get my staff to go all in and then leverage what I'm doing.

And so even just in the simple version of things. One of our goals is to be patient facing that our patients are here. Well, if we can train our patients to use grin for all their communication, now we're getting less phone (00:15:00) calls, right? And so now we're taking that equip that out of the equation as much as we can.

We're still going to get people that call, right? But part of it is, is training our patients and our team to think differently. And if we're only doing that in certain situations, we never get over the hump of doing something completely different. So for us. When you start to create, um, we do it here, but not here, it creates inefficiencies for us and makes us less effective, I guess, 

Amy Epstein: let's flip the conversation a little bit and talk about the patient experience, which was really how you, your vision for this practice was around how you wanted to be treated as the father of five, a professional, somebody who works full time, a lot on your plate.

Um, how do you. Okay. Communicate the value of what your practice offers. How do you get across everything? I just said (00:16:00) to prospective new patients who maybe come to you for a console or maybe even before that in marketing or whatever. How do you get all that across custom technology? Because like you said, the value of a custom digital bracket like that may not be as clear to them as it is for you.

Um, the value of grin to the it. Patient seems to be communicated in like through Renee, once they're patients, you learn about the value, but how do you like attract consults because of everything you have to offer? 

Dr. Adam Reynolds: That's a really good question. You're in the marketing field. So you probably have an idea of your own answer, but it is a coordinated effect, right?

And so, um, how should I communicate this? One is in the marketing sense, as we're thinking about marketing. We try to choose one thing at a time. So for the last year, the only thing that we are marketing is grin. So if we're talking to dentists in the community, we're doing that. I'm making videos on social (00:17:00) media, or we're, we're talking about it in every touch point we can, because it takes a while for that message to get across.

It may take a year or two, right? For that to become part of who you are. Um, the other part of things as patients come in is. Is try to then now think about them and it's, it's communicating in subtle ways consistently across that. So it goes from how we named our practice, right? Orthotic design company.

It's about being custom. When patients walk through our door, there's an 85 inch team, 85 inch, uh, TV screen with a software where it might be an aquarium where kids come in and they color on a sheet of paper, an animal, and it scans it and it brings it to life up on there. So it's a, it's a custom.

Experience, right? And then when they come in, we take a scan of their teeth and we do a simulation on a, on a TV screen here in our consult room and show them before and after. And so it's the subtle ways you're communicating from before they walk in to the console and we're not sitting here and saying, Oh, look at this great app.

This is all the benefits. We're sure (00:18:00) we bring it up, but even then patients can't really wrap their mind around it. Right? What that means until they're in the process. So you're trying to, to make that same message communicated across all the touch points. Yes. Does that make sense in ways that they can totally, 

Amy Epstein: yeah, yeah.

And I think it, you know, what you're doing is you're embodying the concept of the medium being the message, meaning you are, uh, taking on board and, and delivering in everything you do. What your core differentiation is. And that is the first tenet of good branding, right? Like if brand is nothing, yeah. And if, if you say you're going to do something and this is what you are, um, claiming that you offer, you have to be that and do that in everything you do, uh, in order for that to a permeate and, and be actually be authentic.

Dr. Adam Reynolds: Yeah. And then it's, it's the next step too, right? So we make our bonding appointments long enough that we're going to take a scan after that first appointment, because we're telling (00:19:00) them this is important to us. Right. And then my first reach out when instead of doing a care call is I'm going to message them on the app and say, Hey, how are things going?

So it's, it's training your team and your patients. This is important to us. And we're all in, right. If that makes sense. So, 

Dr. Leon Klempner: so for those, uh, orthos out there that. are seeing their numbers flat or not growing. What Adam's just communicated is. Um, golden rule number one in marketing, which is to differentiate your practice and find out what it, what is your North star and make sure that that is the message that goes out on your website, on all your communication.

This is so, so critical. And when we work with a client with, uh, on in our people in practice, um, agency, that is where we start. And Amy is an expert in doing that. So Adam, I would be remiss if I didn't bring money into this (00:20:00) conversation because. You know, as orthodontists, we're seeing that technology is expensive and, um, there's big concerns about it.

So let's talk some numbers, uh, if you don't mind, I don't want to put you on the spot, but if you will, if you could share with us, you know, how has implementing grin impacted your practice, your practices, financial efficiency. If you can give us some ROI numbers or overall business growth, anything that would be helpful so that we can understand this, 

Dr. Adam Reynolds: yeah, I'll try to do my best if that makes sense.

Um, when I think about green, I kind of parse it into two parts, right? One for me is the technology and one for me as a full time employee that is pre trained. And so if I sat down and did the numbers right now for my practice, and I kind of take that cost and divide it in half the Renee part, which is We're paying her 60 cents an hour or less.(00:21:00) 

Right now to monitor all of that for us, right? And so for me, that's a great deal. Um, technology is not that expensive if you kind of put that all together. Um, now as I sit down and I think I've shared this on different podcasts, but I use a CFO ortho as my CPA. And so as we're going through this process, I sit down and said, okay.

Here's your numbers that you say your, your percentages of what a practice should be. I said, I'm a fully digital practice. That's a startup. Do you have someone you compare me to? I don't really know. So I said, okay, I want you to take my staffing percentages and move them down to here and then take my lab bill and move it up the same amount here, right?

Because that's where my vision is. And then the next month I said to him, have you had anybody else that's ever asked you that? And he said, no. And I said, my mind is blown because why is everybody just taking whatever any CPA says, this is how your practice should run and not dictating that yourself as to what your vision is.

So there certainly is some of that, if that makes sense. (00:22:00) Um, in a, in a traditional sense of, as a startup, you know, in a situation where the practice, the market is not just going gangbusters. We've hit our goals for the first year. We doubled the second year and we're continuing to grow it now in our third year.

Um, so for us, that has financially made sense. The way we think about it is that we want to have our team be smaller, but rock stars and have, um, be very patient facing. And so that's part of that equation and then in our fees, we probably reflect that we might increase our fees a little bit, not necessarily to offset every single cost of our technology because there is efficiencies in there as well that we hope to explore.

And we are right. We probably average 17 patients a day in the clinic right now. Um, we run 1 to 1. 5 chairs, but we're a pretty busy practice as far as Gross, um, because we can, and we do it different ways. So there's (00:23:00) certainly, it makes sense for us. It has, there's no question at this point of us going backwards on that.

I don't know if that's helpful or not. 

Amy Epstein: It does. And I think, you know, as we, as we look back on the conversation and we have listeners who are, um, either in practice and maybe looking at adopting a remote care model or are still. Looking at starting up and, um, incorporating remote care into their vision.

What do you think, um, maybe is a key learning or, um, some advice that you might want to share ahead of taking that step? 

Dr. Adam Reynolds: I think one of the challenges was something like remote monitoring, which Dr. Leon kind of touched on is. Especially in practices have been doing this for a while and have their system set up.

It's really hard to make a change. And so what happens is you say, okay, I'm hearing that this technology is a good idea. Well, I'm going to go invest in it. But it really takes, um, constant kind of (00:24:00) evaluating how you do your systems and then working together. So any technology is not a turn on and it's going to work.

So we, we certainly spend time as a team talking about how we can implement it. And what I will tell you is. Renee, who is our employee that works for grand has said multiple times as I, I call her every now and then we just say, okay, Renee, how are we doing communicating with you? So you can better help us or how can we better help you?

Or what are you seeing on your end? And we're having discussions so that we can make grand. Work for us better, right? They're only as good as the information that we give them and the help that we give them and as our team, if we're not doing our part to put in, okay, notes for her or our treatment plan, so she can see those things, then she's minimally effective.

That makes sense. Um, so we're constantly kind of working with green. It's okay. What can we do better for you to serve us? And these companies are, are hungry for that information because a lot of practices don't. And the other part that we get feedback from her is, You guys are the only ones that use (00:25:00) all the tools that we have, right?

So most people are not really leveraging the things that are in there. So if I'm doing virtual appointments, I get on green and I record a one minute video going over their scan, send it to them. We're going to make an appointment or we use it for all kinds of different things. If that makes sense. And we put our trim plans in there and use Rene to let them kind of monitor bite or IPR or trace or give us notifications.

And so it's really utilizing what you have in front of you instead of just saying, okay, I'm going to buy this technology and then it's not working. It takes. Effort to make sure you're getting the value out of it. 

Amy Epstein: I imagine that incorporating at the, at the start at the get go as early as you can is probably advantageous before there are lots of habits formed and rigidity and, um, all, you know, that reluctance to make change that happens with all of us really, when we feel like something is going, working, uh, delivering whatever, just disrupting that apple cart.

Dr. Adam Reynolds: No, it's true. And I mean, like this (00:26:00) podcast is called the golden age of orthodontics, which I would have thought 10 years ago was the 80s. You put up a sign, you know, your patients are going to flock to you. But in some ways right now, as a startup, this is the golden age of orthodontics because you can design a practice now.

And outsource some things and use technology to create a practice that is a completely different direction than the ones that are out there. And um, so I don't think there's a better time to start making our 

Amy Epstein: language. That's exactly, I mean, that's the point and that's exactly how we feel. That's why the podcast is named the way it is, is exactly for that reason, and patients 

Dr. Adam Reynolds: appreciate it.

They really do. 

Amy Epstein: And that's the point is that, you know, you we you could offer anything you want that makes you different. Everybody could, you know, whatever it is and you name it. But if it's not valued by the patient, if it's not important to them and something they prioritize and make decisions based on.

Then you might as well not do it because it's, it's gotta be important to them. And that I think is, you know, just going back to where we (00:27:00) started is that vision for patient care will serve you well, because that's what patients are valuing now too. And you're giving them that, that attention and time back.

Dr. Adam Reynolds: Yeah. And I guess this is a good kind of point because this is in my mind, right? This is what patients want. And as I knew, knew I was coming on this podcast, I actually sent a message out. To all the patients on green. It said, Hey, I'm going on a podcast to talk about some digital things or about monitoring.

What is your feedback positive or negative? Right? Because in my mind, it's a good thing. But what do patients really think? And if you don't mind, I'd like to share a couple of quotes of just some of the things that patients wrote. 

Amy Epstein: Do it. That sounds great. 

Dr. Adam Reynolds: Um, let's see, this one says, I can say that having to go to go through two sons who had braces and making those routine routine in person appointments, the amount of pain or discomfort and overall experience with them.

My experience is nothing like theirs. Um, this one says my son had an emergency with his expand was late on a Saturday. I was able to communicate his urgent need via grand right away. (00:28:00) We had a response and a plan of a care almost immediately, right? Which is awesome. Um, this one says my Atlanta journey was so much simpler than I thought was possible.

I enjoyed having feedback. Renee is great at responding, keeping up with my journey. It saved me trips to the office and it'd been calming to know that you guys are a text away if needed. Um, and it just goes on and on, right? So it's fantastic. And 

Amy Epstein: they're, yeah, they're telling you these are the things I value.

Thank you for giving them to me. So you're getting that, um, feedback that it, it's a, it's a connect. It's what they need and what you offer. Um, which makes me feel good too, because you never really know, 

Dr. Adam Reynolds: right? Until you ask. 

Amy Epstein: Yeah, that's absolutely true. Well, you know, thank you so much for sharing your journey and the technologies that you have in place and your experience.

Um, I imagine that we may have some questions from listeners as they, they hear this podcast, um, or watch this podcast, is there a way that they can reach you if they have any follow up questions? (00:29:00) 

Dr. Adam Reynolds: I would say two things. One is because I do find myself being unique as a startup doing this, because there's a lot of fear going all in digital.

Um, I did start a YouTube channel just to kind of document some of the things I'm doing and some things I'm learning. And it's called all in orthodontic practice or all in orthodontics. Maybe I'm saying it wrong now, but it's on YouTube. Um, and then if people do have questions, probably they could find me on Facebook, which would be an easy way or to email me at a Reynolds.

Amy Epstein: That's great. Great. Well, thanks again. We appreciate your time so much. It's been really good talking to you. Uh, and we look forward to talking to you again. 

Dr. Adam Reynolds: Thank you so much. It was a pleasure. Thanks, Adam. Thanks. 

Amy Epstein: You can subscribe or download other episodes of the Golden Age of Orthodontics on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, SoundCloud, or wherever you get your podcasts.

And if you enjoyed this episode, which I'm sure you will, we'd appreciate you telling a colleague. For more information about people and practice, you can visit our (00:30:00) [email protected]. And lastly, we are both speaking at the AO in Philadelphia this year. Leon and me. If you'll be there and wanna meet up, let us know.

You can email us at Amy [email protected]. 

Dr. Leon Klempner: Thanks for watching and listening. As Amy mentioned, we'll be in Philly. So, uh, if you're interested, shoot me an email, or you could text me directly on our people in practice, uh, website, pplpractice. com for those growing number of pedo ortho practices, or if you, uh, provide some phase two.

Types of treatment. There's a new brand new Facebook page started by Dr. Dan Grove of ortho town fame, where you can find both clinical and marketing tips. It's called the pediatric orthodontist. So check it out. Both our podcast sponsors, KL Owen and Grin have been gracious enough to offer our listeners a special (00:31:00) promotion.

Go to our partner page on our website, PPL practice. com forward slash partners. And as Adam says, and Leon says, remember for forward thinking orthos, it has never ever. Been a better time to be an orthodontist? We are in the Golden Age, take advantage of it. So bye for now.

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